Posts by The Rebel

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What Happens to Adam and Eve?

by Cold Steel in

in jw theology, what happens to adam and eve?

are they resurrected and become heirs to paradise on earth?

or will they become two of the heavenly class?

The Rebel

I believe the answer is that as Adam & Eve committed a sin whilst perfect they simply now cease to exist and have no resurrection.

The problem I have with W.T theology is how a person created perfect can do something imperfect? The witnesses will answer "free will" . But free will and perfection are clearly not the same thing.

As for the actual sin, in my viewpoint the story is that God gave them a choice. To clarify we're they :-

A) told simply not to eat from a tree.

Or

B) given the choice to eat from the tree, with the consequence of doing so explained.

As the answer is B, how then did they disobey God?

As for the consequences of that choice now, shaping the world we live in today, was this in your opinion even remotely explained to Adam?

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

It's often interesting to note how our feelings can change about different things, and we can spend so much on this or that, thoughts on what we should or shouldn't have done. Or even thoughts on what we are going or not going to do. But sometimes the purpose of my life is just to let go of all the mental chatter and relax into the here and now. ( not such a simple task)

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Are quality restaurants even slightly aware of the concept..

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

of providing high quality food?.

personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.

often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.

The Rebel

Millie I think the hand written note is all I can afford after that meal, unless I take fresh flowers from the graveyard. I wouldn't, would I? Ummmmm, I am thinking about it....to be continued.

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

The Rebel

I am no troll Viv, put your money on that and I will give you a free bet.

Because logic never stops.:-)

p.s if you play chess I am on many on line sites, if you want a game?

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Are quality restaurants even slightly aware of the concept..

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

of providing high quality food?.

personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.

often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.

The Rebel

And the sad thing was, because I told the waitress the food was crap, my wife got pissed off and wasn't talking to me this morning. O.K to be fair the desert was well baked let's leave it there...and I will try to make amends with my wife after work today.

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

The Rebel

Cofty :- " Don't you think you should thoroughly investigate the evidence before you declare something impossible"

Thats an attractive proposition. Therefore may I please ask you " Cofty" how thoroughly you have investigated the evidence in your O.P? :-"life, is not an ethereal force that originates from God?

I am not trying to be a bee stinging on the tongue, instead I hope your answers will give credibility to your O.P and therefore give posters with opposing viewpoints a greater understanding of your calm rational thinking.

Because logic never stops.

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

The Rebel

Viv I could communicate with you all day, if you were the last egg in the box, but to suit my posting needs and with limited time, please understand I have a full box of eggs which I can make an omelette with. Therefore I won't be hard boiling any eggs today. Nothing wrong with a hard boiled egg, but that's just the way it is.

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

The Rebel

Cofty, " don't you think you should thoroughly investigate the evidence before you declare something impossible?

Well to be fair Cofty, you sound like a bully who beats kids up at school. How can I or even you thoroughly investigate all the evidence on the subject "origin of life?" Are you even slightly aware of the term " thoroughly" Apparently so, therefore please clarify how you have thoroughly investigated this subject to declare opposing views impossible?

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Are quality restaurants even slightly aware of the concept..

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

of providing high quality food?.

personally i prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food.

often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant.

The Rebel

of providing high quality food?

Personally I prefer the small restaurants with a owner who cooks the food. Often the food is equally imaginative and just as tasty as the more expensive restaurant. Sorry for the gripe, but yesterday evening I had to take out a second mortgage at an expensive restaurant, only to leave the gristle on the side of my plate.

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Origin of Life

by cofty in

in recent years significant progress has been made in solving the question of how life originated on our planet.. how do you think theists will respond when it finally happens?

as a former christian i know my reaction would have been something like "well that just goes to show that it takes intelligent life to make life", but for two reasons that defense doesn't work.. firstly it would prove that life is not an ethereal force that originates with god.

there is no 'ghost in the machine', no elan vital.

The Rebel

So Cofty by your answers to my questions, are you not saying that our modern understanding about the origin of life should be labeled" Science"? If so then can you understand the problem for many is that then, science has ripped apart societies past understandings and perceived reality of the " origin of life" and " God"?

I think this is why so many of your posts create such controversy, science wipes the floor with so many God arguments. Now I am not saying your answers are often to blant and direct, but I am saying if the universe and origin of life has been created by God, then in my opinion believers should come up with some different questions. This would lead to some constructive but less personal debates.

Only my opinion, but the jump from a beliver to agnostic, or athiest is a lot of change to a personality, and myself included not easy to address on an Internet forum. But I do feel it important to say the changing landscape in my worldview can only come by people speaking their truth. As for the O.P and the origin of life. I think on accuracy states I would agree the earth is over 3 billions years old, and was not created by God. Personally I also with my limited research believe direct evidence for the origin of life impossible.